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		<title>By: Ogre Mage</title>
		<link>http://campaigndiaries.com/2009/11/24/checking-in-with-democratic-senators/comment-page-1/#comment-44108</link>
		<dc:creator>Ogre Mage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No, we simply want the law to make sense. It makes zero sense to have to prove who illegal voters voted for, because it is essentially impossible. The election challenge statute mine as well not exist as construed by the Court in that case.

And it takes a LOT of chutzpa saying that for someone who’s whining about Florida 2000, where the Florida SC literally and unapologetically ignored the written election law and rewrote it for what they thought was “fair”.&lt;/i&gt;

What the WA GOP needed to prove was that there was deliberate election fraud. That is far from impossible to prove and they could not do it.  There are voting irregularities/mistakes in every election.  Redoing elections on the basis of irregularities, rather than fraud, is an invitation to endless litigation.

I have not mentioned anything about Florida in this discussion.  

Dan Donohoe, a spokesman for King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg, also thinks that dismissal with prejudice do not happen often.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/177332.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No, we simply want the law to make sense. It makes zero sense to have to prove who illegal voters voted for, because it is essentially impossible. The election challenge statute mine as well not exist as construed by the Court in that case.</p>
<p>And it takes a LOT of chutzpa saying that for someone who’s whining about Florida 2000, where the Florida SC literally and unapologetically ignored the written election law and rewrote it for what they thought was “fair”.</i></p>
<p>What the WA GOP needed to prove was that there was deliberate election fraud. That is far from impossible to prove and they could not do it.  There are voting irregularities/mistakes in every election.  Redoing elections on the basis of irregularities, rather than fraud, is an invitation to endless litigation.</p>
<p>I have not mentioned anything about Florida in this discussion.  </p>
<p>Dan Donohoe, a spokesman for King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg, also thinks that dismissal with prejudice do not happen often.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/177332.asp" rel="nofollow">http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/177332.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://campaigndiaries.com/2009/11/24/checking-in-with-democratic-senators/comment-page-1/#comment-43527</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm a dream state. Lets see if I have this right, you disagree with a large number of the following. Let me know if these events actually happened :

No child left behind legislation passed, Iraq invaded, $1.3 trillion 10 year tax cut enacted, Intervention into Terry Schivo's death, Comprehensive immigration reform attempted, privatisation of social security attempted, John Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court, Harriet Myers attempted to be put on the bench, Patriot Act legislation enacted, deficits run each year, Prescription drug entitlement added (first entitlement expansion in decades).

I can accept that you agree with the GOP more than the Democrats. One wonders if you would have more in common with the Libertarian party though. Or indeed no party and take each candidate in each election as it comes. You choose to say GOP supporter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm a dream state. Lets see if I have this right, you disagree with a large number of the following. Let me know if these events actually happened :</p>
<p>No child left behind legislation passed, Iraq invaded, $1.3 trillion 10 year tax cut enacted, Intervention into Terry Schivo&#8217;s death, Comprehensive immigration reform attempted, privatisation of social security attempted, John Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court, Harriet Myers attempted to be put on the bench, Patriot Act legislation enacted, deficits run each year, Prescription drug entitlement added (first entitlement expansion in decades).</p>
<p>I can accept that you agree with the GOP more than the Democrats. One wonders if you would have more in common with the Libertarian party though. Or indeed no party and take each candidate in each election as it comes. You choose to say GOP supporter.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://campaigndiaries.com/2009/11/24/checking-in-with-democratic-senators/comment-page-1/#comment-43524</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you support the GOP then you must at least agree with the majority of what they have done in 2001-2008.&lt;/i&gt;

Umm, no, not actually, I merely have to disagree with them less then I disagree with the Democrats.  

And what's more, what you dream up in your own imagination as what the GOP did in the past 8 years doesn't necessarily reflect reality, if your past posts are any indication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you support the GOP then you must at least agree with the majority of what they have done in 2001-2008.</i></p>
<p>Umm, no, not actually, I merely have to disagree with them less then I disagree with the Democrats.  </p>
<p>And what&#8217;s more, what you dream up in your own imagination as what the GOP did in the past 8 years doesn&#8217;t necessarily reflect reality, if your past posts are any indication.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://campaigndiaries.com/2009/11/24/checking-in-with-democratic-senators/comment-page-1/#comment-43427</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff - you keep making wrong assumption. I have discussed issues with real people who disagree with me. One is a Libertarian party member - why aren`t you if you disagree with the GOP performance and policies so much?

If you support the GOP then you must at least agree with the majority of what they have done in 2001-2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff - you keep making wrong assumption. I have discussed issues with real people who disagree with me. One is a Libertarian party member - why aren`t you if you disagree with the GOP performance and policies so much?</p>
<p>If you support the GOP then you must at least agree with the majority of what they have done in 2001-2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;because he made peace with the Dems, umm nice conspiracy theory there&lt;/i&gt;

Uhh, if it's a conspiracy theory, it's one Chuck Schumer essentially agrees with.  He accused Bush of pushing out U.S. Attorneys for not following his political agenda.  I agree with him.  The problem is, it's not illegal, unethical, or otherwise wrong.  He just wanted to make political hay out of it.  

&lt;i&gt;Maybe I must have misread all your previous posts and you are not a Conservative and GOP supporter.

I am both a Conservative and a GOP supporter.  Unfortunately for you, I am not a walking stereotype, but a living, breathing person.  We're harder to argue against then a figment of your imagination.  But I doubt you've ever actually discussed issues with any real person you disagree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>because he made peace with the Dems, umm nice conspiracy theory there</i></p>
<p>Uhh, if it&#8217;s a conspiracy theory, it&#8217;s one Chuck Schumer essentially agrees with.  He accused Bush of pushing out U.S. Attorneys for not following his political agenda.  I agree with him.  The problem is, it&#8217;s not illegal, unethical, or otherwise wrong.  He just wanted to make political hay out of it.  </p>
<p><i>Maybe I must have misread all your previous posts and you are not a Conservative and GOP supporter.</p>
<p>I am both a Conservative and a GOP supporter.  Unfortunately for you, I am not a walking stereotype, but a living, breathing person.  We&#8217;re harder to argue against then a figment of your imagination.  But I doubt you&#8217;ve ever actually discussed issues with any real person you disagree with.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let me get this right a Bush appointed US Attorney doesn`t pursue a case (because he made peace with the Dems, umm nice conspiracy theory there) and since the Bush administration loves to uphold the law (except when they break it in Gitmo and the Supreme Court 3 times tells them to change policy) they fire him. OK what ever.

Maybe I must have misread all your previous posts and you are not a Conservative and GOP supporter. Now if you are I never heard you complain about those things when Bush was in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let me get this right a Bush appointed US Attorney doesn`t pursue a case (because he made peace with the Dems, umm nice conspiracy theory there) and since the Bush administration loves to uphold the law (except when they break it in Gitmo and the Supreme Court 3 times tells them to change policy) they fire him. OK what ever.</p>
<p>Maybe I must have misread all your previous posts and you are not a Conservative and GOP supporter. Now if you are I never heard you complain about those things when Bush was in office.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for fun, I'll answer your other questions because it's so easy:


&lt;i&gt;Cliff - a couple of points before I leave it.

Why if the WA governor’s election was tainted didn`t the Bush administration investigate? I thought the GOP were the party of law and order and hence would have investigated. Especially if it gave them partisan advantage.&lt;/i&gt;

If you actually followed this issue, you'd know that U.S. Attorney John McKay was one of the fired U.S. Attorneys that Chuckie Schumer went apeshit about.  One of the reasons he was fired was because he refused to even open an investigation, or even look at evidence turned over to him by independent investigations.  The reason he refused to open an investigation, or even look at evidence that was put in front of him (there is a TON of stuff on this on the net, but do your own homework) I think, was because he wanted to run for something in the future, or at least have access to better jobs in ultraliberal Seattle, and didn't want to anger the elite.  

Whatever the case, it worked.  He became a saint to all the Seattle area media for not investigating, and particularly for subsequently for getting fired, (which is particularly ironic, given he was an at-will appointee and could be fired for any reason, while none of the same media give a crap about Gerald Walpin, who was NOT an at-will appointee and was statutorily barred from unilateral dismissal) and landed a job as a law professor at Seattle U.  I wouldn't be surprised if he runs for something soon.  

McKay was always the hero of the old liberal Republican establishment (Dan Evans, Dan Satterberg, Sam Reed, Norm Mahling, etc.) that basically make peace with the Democratic establishment by promising never to gore any of their sacred cows so long as they don't play too rough with them.  They never leave once they get in office, but they never do anything of any substance either.  They basically are just caretakers of the status quo.  

&lt;i&gt;
Also as a lay person I would have thought dismissed with prejudice is worse than dismissed without prejudice. Buy hey what do I know. I forgot you are an expert in all areas of life.&lt;/i&gt;

I know a thing or two about the law, yes.

It's "worse" in the sense that you can't refile it, but it's purely procedural. It means nothing about the case its self, it merely means that the case has been heard and decided on it's merits. This happens with almost every case that goes to a full hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for fun, I&#8217;ll answer your other questions because it&#8217;s so easy:</p>
<p><i>Cliff - a couple of points before I leave it.</p>
<p>Why if the WA governor’s election was tainted didn`t the Bush administration investigate? I thought the GOP were the party of law and order and hence would have investigated. Especially if it gave them partisan advantage.</i></p>
<p>If you actually followed this issue, you&#8217;d know that U.S. Attorney John McKay was one of the fired U.S. Attorneys that Chuckie Schumer went apeshit about.  One of the reasons he was fired was because he refused to even open an investigation, or even look at evidence turned over to him by independent investigations.  The reason he refused to open an investigation, or even look at evidence that was put in front of him (there is a TON of stuff on this on the net, but do your own homework) I think, was because he wanted to run for something in the future, or at least have access to better jobs in ultraliberal Seattle, and didn&#8217;t want to anger the elite.  </p>
<p>Whatever the case, it worked.  He became a saint to all the Seattle area media for not investigating, and particularly for subsequently for getting fired, (which is particularly ironic, given he was an at-will appointee and could be fired for any reason, while none of the same media give a crap about Gerald Walpin, who was NOT an at-will appointee and was statutorily barred from unilateral dismissal) and landed a job as a law professor at Seattle U.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if he runs for something soon.  </p>
<p>McKay was always the hero of the old liberal Republican establishment (Dan Evans, Dan Satterberg, Sam Reed, Norm Mahling, etc.) that basically make peace with the Democratic establishment by promising never to gore any of their sacred cows so long as they don&#8217;t play too rough with them.  They never leave once they get in office, but they never do anything of any substance either.  They basically are just caretakers of the status quo.  </p>
<p><i><br />
Also as a lay person I would have thought dismissed with prejudice is worse than dismissed without prejudice. Buy hey what do I know. I forgot you are an expert in all areas of life.</i></p>
<p>I know a thing or two about the law, yes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s &#8220;worse&#8221; in the sense that you can&#8217;t refile it, but it&#8217;s purely procedural. It means nothing about the case its self, it merely means that the case has been heard and decided on it&#8217;s merits. This happens with almost every case that goes to a full hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://campaigndiaries.com/2009/11/24/checking-in-with-democratic-senators/comment-page-1/#comment-43172</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Cliff - I forgot the arch Conservative, only we love America crowd of which you are obviously a member of never does anything wrong and are consistent at all times. Yep it was a Republican administration that has given us unfunded entitlements (prescription drug), consecutive deficits (whilst the economy grew) and oversaw a coarsening of political debate (of which you are a “great” example).

You make me laugh repeatedly by sounding so intelligent (eg Fl-12 Dems will never win - umm pretty categorical there) yet being unable to accept other peoples points. I don`t think you have ever accepted something someone else has said. You will no doubt say everyone else who is not a Conservative is an idiot. If that is the case then why come on this site?

You will be talking to my hand next time as I am going to ignore you and you blatant bias. At least I listen to other points and sometimes accept them.&lt;/i&gt;


LOL!!!


This is the perfect example of what you do.  I never said ANY of the things you say I said, nor implied them.  You merely wish I said them so you could "prove" you are "right" and "win" the "argument." 

I give up.

Later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cliff - I forgot the arch Conservative, only we love America crowd of which you are obviously a member of never does anything wrong and are consistent at all times. Yep it was a Republican administration that has given us unfunded entitlements (prescription drug), consecutive deficits (whilst the economy grew) and oversaw a coarsening of political debate (of which you are a “great” example).</p>
<p>You make me laugh repeatedly by sounding so intelligent (eg Fl-12 Dems will never win - umm pretty categorical there) yet being unable to accept other peoples points. I don`t think you have ever accepted something someone else has said. You will no doubt say everyone else who is not a Conservative is an idiot. If that is the case then why come on this site?</p>
<p>You will be talking to my hand next time as I am going to ignore you and you blatant bias. At least I listen to other points and sometimes accept them.</i></p>
<p>LOL!!!</p>
<p>This is the perfect example of what you do.  I never said ANY of the things you say I said, nor implied them.  You merely wish I said them so you could &#8220;prove&#8221; you are &#8220;right&#8221; and &#8220;win&#8221; the &#8220;argument.&#8221; </p>
<p>I give up.</p>
<p>Later.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff - a couple of points before I leave it.

Why if the WA governor's election was tainted didn`t the Bush administration investigate? I thought the GOP were the party of law and order and hence would have investigated. Especially if it gave them partisan advantage.

Also as a lay person I would have thought dismissed with prejudice is worse than dismissed without prejudice. Buy hey what do I know. I forgot you are an expert in all areas of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff - a couple of points before I leave it.</p>
<p>Why if the WA governor&#8217;s election was tainted didn`t the Bush administration investigate? I thought the GOP were the party of law and order and hence would have investigated. Especially if it gave them partisan advantage.</p>
<p>Also as a lay person I would have thought dismissed with prejudice is worse than dismissed without prejudice. Buy hey what do I know. I forgot you are an expert in all areas of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff - I forgot the arch Conservative, only we love America crowd of which you are obviously a member of never does anything wrong and are consistent at all times. Yep it was a Republican administration that has given us unfunded entitlements (prescription drug), consecutive deficits (whilst the economy grew) and oversaw a coarsening of political debate (of which you are a "great" example).

You make me laugh repeatedly by sounding so intelligent (eg Fl-12 Dems will never win - umm pretty categorical there) yet being unable to accept other peoples points. I don`t think you have ever accepted something someone else has said. You will no doubt say everyone else who is not a Conservative is an idiot. If that is the case then why come on this site?

You will be talking to my hand next time as I am going to ignore you and you blatant bias. At least I listen to other points and sometimes accept them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff - I forgot the arch Conservative, only we love America crowd of which you are obviously a member of never does anything wrong and are consistent at all times. Yep it was a Republican administration that has given us unfunded entitlements (prescription drug), consecutive deficits (whilst the economy grew) and oversaw a coarsening of political debate (of which you are a &#8220;great&#8221; example).</p>
<p>You make me laugh repeatedly by sounding so intelligent (eg Fl-12 Dems will never win - umm pretty categorical there) yet being unable to accept other peoples points. I don`t think you have ever accepted something someone else has said. You will no doubt say everyone else who is not a Conservative is an idiot. If that is the case then why come on this site?</p>
<p>You will be talking to my hand next time as I am going to ignore you and you blatant bias. At least I listen to other points and sometimes accept them.</p>
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