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	<title>Comments on: GOP efforts to target Alan Grayson undercut by recruitment failures</title>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://campaigndiaries.com/2009/10/13/potential-grayson-opponents-opting-out/comment-page-1/#comment-37163</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff - forgot to mention, sometimes I lay ot on thick to get a response from you since you are one of the few openly Republican people on this blog. I hope you by Sarah's new book when it comes out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff - forgot to mention, sometimes I lay ot on thick to get a response from you since you are one of the few openly Republican people on this blog. I hope you by Sarah&#8217;s new book when it comes out!</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://campaigndiaries.com/2009/10/13/potential-grayson-opponents-opting-out/comment-page-1/#comment-37162</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff - you are not rude, actually you are cogent for a Republican (no offence meant).

Healthcare reform was a major issue in the elction campaign and the overall direction was clear to people. Most reputable polling companies show the public option to have over 50% support. Reducing the troop presence in Iraq is also popular - if people are tired of Afghanistan then they sure as hell are tired of Iraq. Personally I think we should send more troops into Afghanistan but that isn`t the issue.

The Democrats will retain the Senate with a healthy majority. In the house they will lose seats but it will not be 1994. Obama has not made the mis-steps that Clinton id d(gays in the military, Hillary secretly drawing up healthcare reform etc). So I don`t see a "big" backlash as you call it. Maybe your definition of big is bigger than mine. The average loss is around 20 seats, I don`t expect a greater than average loss - do you?
Remember the GOP is still rushing rightwards and people identifying as Republicans has not increased and stays below 30%. 

I agree Gitmo may not be closed. Having to deal with all the open legal questions left by the Bush administration takes time. Even the Supremem court (with a Conservative majority) asked for changes, not once but three times. There I was thinking the GOP was the party of law and order - then comply with the Supreme Court rulings!

Anyway by your reason Obama can do what he likes because he has a solid majority. Bush pushed through stuff with only 51 senators and narrow 2000 and 2004 elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff - you are not rude, actually you are cogent for a Republican (no offence meant).</p>
<p>Healthcare reform was a major issue in the elction campaign and the overall direction was clear to people. Most reputable polling companies show the public option to have over 50% support. Reducing the troop presence in Iraq is also popular - if people are tired of Afghanistan then they sure as hell are tired of Iraq. Personally I think we should send more troops into Afghanistan but that isn`t the issue.</p>
<p>The Democrats will retain the Senate with a healthy majority. In the house they will lose seats but it will not be 1994. Obama has not made the mis-steps that Clinton id d(gays in the military, Hillary secretly drawing up healthcare reform etc). So I don`t see a &#8220;big&#8221; backlash as you call it. Maybe your definition of big is bigger than mine. The average loss is around 20 seats, I don`t expect a greater than average loss - do you?<br />
Remember the GOP is still rushing rightwards and people identifying as Republicans has not increased and stays below 30%. </p>
<p>I agree Gitmo may not be closed. Having to deal with all the open legal questions left by the Bush administration takes time. Even the Supremem court (with a Conservative majority) asked for changes, not once but three times. There I was thinking the GOP was the party of law and order - then comply with the Supreme Court rulings!</p>
<p>Anyway by your reason Obama can do what he likes because he has a solid majority. Bush pushed through stuff with only 51 senators and narrow 2000 and 2004 elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://campaigndiaries.com/2009/10/13/potential-grayson-opponents-opting-out/comment-page-1/#comment-37159</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy - Do you actually believe your own hype here?!?!  That's an honest question, although it sounds rude.  I have trouble believing any informed person can think that.  

I favored GWB's Social Security reforms, but I never kidded myself into thinking they were popular or that he had a mandate to do it. 

Anyhow, keep telling yourself that. None of the things you mentioned polls above 50% with any degree of consistency.  And there isn't a single seasoned political observer that is even remotely objective that isn't saying '10 is going to be a bad year for D's.

If you actually think you are going to win running on the stimulus, the public option and Iraq, I pray to God that every Democrat in America takes your advise.  Retaking the House will be a cakewalk.

And Obama won for two reasons: 1. He's not George Bush, 2. He was likable and sold a vague, vapid message of "change".  I doubt even half the people who voted for him could explain with any degree of accuracy what any of his policy proposals are.

Oh, and he won't have closed Gitmo by '10 either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy - Do you actually believe your own hype here?!?!  That&#8217;s an honest question, although it sounds rude.  I have trouble believing any informed person can think that.  </p>
<p>I favored GWB&#8217;s Social Security reforms, but I never kidded myself into thinking they were popular or that he had a mandate to do it. </p>
<p>Anyhow, keep telling yourself that. None of the things you mentioned polls above 50% with any degree of consistency.  And there isn&#8217;t a single seasoned political observer that is even remotely objective that isn&#8217;t saying &#8216;10 is going to be a bad year for D&#8217;s.</p>
<p>If you actually think you are going to win running on the stimulus, the public option and Iraq, I pray to God that every Democrat in America takes your advise.  Retaking the House will be a cakewalk.</p>
<p>And Obama won for two reasons: 1. He&#8217;s not George Bush, 2. He was likable and sold a vague, vapid message of &#8220;change&#8221;.  I doubt even half the people who voted for him could explain with any degree of accuracy what any of his policy proposals are.</p>
<p>Oh, and he won&#8217;t have closed Gitmo by &#8216;10 either.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://campaigndiaries.com/2009/10/13/potential-grayson-opponents-opting-out/comment-page-1/#comment-37153</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cliff - why do you think there will be a big backlash? Most of the policies the President is putting forward were clearly spelt out last year in the campaign and/or are popular. Such as healthcare reform (with public option), closing guantanamo, reducing troop presence in Iraq, stimulus package etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff - why do you think there will be a big backlash? Most of the policies the President is putting forward were clearly spelt out last year in the campaign and/or are popular. Such as healthcare reform (with public option), closing guantanamo, reducing troop presence in Iraq, stimulus package etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaxx Raxor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaxx Raxor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it very difficult to envision Frazier winning in a district against a incumbent in which Obama won by nearly 20%. The Cook PVI is D+4 and Bush did get 48% of the vote, but I think its going to be very hard for any Republican to win in a district that leans Democrat in anyway unless they are an incumbent like Dave Reichert of WA-08 (Cook PVI +3). PA-07 and NH-02 are the only Dem leaning seats that I think are truly toss-ups, and that is not only because of the good GOP recruitment but that there is no incumbent.

In terms of Grayson, that district has a Cook PVI of R+2: Bush won that district 55-44 in 2004, while Obama won it by 52-47, so Bush actually won and outperformed Obama, while in Defazio's district OR-04 Kerry at least won that district narrowly, showing a consistent Democratic lean. So conventional wisdom should be that Grayson should be very vulernable despite Obama's 08 victory, which makes the GOP's recruiment troubles in that district all the more harrowing. I strong recruit against Grayson would be worth 4 of the recruitments that Republicans have been getting against very strong incumbents as Grayson would actually be in trouble if only he gets a strong opponnet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it very difficult to envision Frazier winning in a district against a incumbent in which Obama won by nearly 20%. The Cook PVI is D+4 and Bush did get 48% of the vote, but I think its going to be very hard for any Republican to win in a district that leans Democrat in anyway unless they are an incumbent like Dave Reichert of WA-08 (Cook PVI +3). PA-07 and NH-02 are the only Dem leaning seats that I think are truly toss-ups, and that is not only because of the good GOP recruitment but that there is no incumbent.</p>
<p>In terms of Grayson, that district has a Cook PVI of R+2: Bush won that district 55-44 in 2004, while Obama won it by 52-47, so Bush actually won and outperformed Obama, while in Defazio&#8217;s district OR-04 Kerry at least won that district narrowly, showing a consistent Democratic lean. So conventional wisdom should be that Grayson should be very vulernable despite Obama&#8217;s 08 victory, which makes the GOP&#8217;s recruiment troubles in that district all the more harrowing. I strong recruit against Grayson would be worth 4 of the recruitments that Republicans have been getting against very strong incumbents as Grayson would actually be in trouble if only he gets a strong opponnet.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like Ryan Frazier, and hope he wins.  I realize it's a longshot race, but I think the guy's got a future regardless.  He's young, has a great base in Aurora, and seems very personable and smart. 

I'm just hoping '10 is a big enough backlash to carry him over the finish line.  If current trends keep up and Norton/McInnis are victorious, it'll help him.  But that's obviously a huge "if".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like Ryan Frazier, and hope he wins.  I realize it&#8217;s a longshot race, but I think the guy&#8217;s got a future regardless.  He&#8217;s young, has a great base in Aurora, and seems very personable and smart. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just hoping &#8216;10 is a big enough backlash to carry him over the finish line.  If current trends keep up and Norton/McInnis are victorious, it&#8217;ll help him.  But that&#8217;s obviously a huge &#8220;if&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Taniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,

We go back to the issue of whether the 04 or the 08 results should be trusted when discussing a district's partisan leanings - Co-07 voted for Obama by 19%, but it was also tighter in 2004 than PA-07 was. Also, I would not agree with your statement that the district was created for him: He was expected to run in 2002, yes, but because he was considered the Democrats' strongest candidate not because the point of CO-07's creation was that he get a House seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,</p>
<p>We go back to the issue of whether the 04 or the 08 results should be trusted when discussing a district&#8217;s partisan leanings - Co-07 voted for Obama by 19%, but it was also tighter in 2004 than PA-07 was. Also, I would not agree with your statement that the district was created for him: He was expected to run in 2002, yes, but because he was considered the Democrats&#8217; strongest candidate not because the point of CO-07&#8217;s creation was that he get a House seat.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont know if I would lump CO-07 in with NV-03 and PA-07.  CO-07 went for Obama by 20 points as he only won the state by nine and Perlmutter is a pretty strong incumbent in the district that was originally created for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont know if I would lump CO-07 in with NV-03 and PA-07.  CO-07 went for Obama by 20 points as he only won the state by nine and Perlmutter is a pretty strong incumbent in the district that was originally created for him.</p>
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		<title>By: fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not surprised that the Republicans are having a hard time finding a serious opponent for Grayson. Aside from being an incumbent he can self finance and has the one character trait that most other partisans on both left and right lack; a self deprecating sense of humor. I've heard a number of his interviews and he comes across as very personable congressman who doesn't take himself to seriously. Most other partisan blowhards are humorless ideologues. If he can stay away from the holocaust comparisons he will be very successful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not surprised that the Republicans are having a hard time finding a serious opponent for Grayson. Aside from being an incumbent he can self finance and has the one character trait that most other partisans on both left and right lack; a self deprecating sense of humor. I&#8217;ve heard a number of his interviews and he comes across as very personable congressman who doesn&#8217;t take himself to seriously. Most other partisan blowhards are humorless ideologues. If he can stay away from the holocaust comparisons he will be very successful</p>
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