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		<title>By: John McCain suspends his campaign &#171; Surely You Can&#8217;t Be Serious</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McCain suspends his campaign &#171; Surely You Can&#8217;t Be Serious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McCain quickly mentioned suspending the debate and reshcudling to&#8230;drumroll please&#8230;the date of the VP debates, why would he suggest that unless he wanted for some reason to reshcudle the VP debates? I&#8217;m [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] McCain quickly mentioned suspending the debate and reshcudling to&#8230;drumroll please&#8230;the date of the VP debates, why would he suggest that unless he wanted for some reason to reshcudle the VP debates? I&#8217;m [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>zoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous 2:19 mentions something that is of far more concern than policies or political alignment, and that's temperament. Read George Will's column at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/mccains_temperment_fails_again.html

Will has his own issues with McCain, but he nails a major concern - McCain's impulsive nature and ultracombative personality, combined with a stubborn refusal to move away from deeply ingrained certainties (not principles) framed by his life story.

Richard Cohen has a column today on American exceptionalism at http://tinyurl.com/3ms5fx. While it focuses on Palin's short-comings, its relevant to McCain, too, in pointing out how much the world and the US role in it has changed, and underscoring the flexible mindset needed to deal with new realities. There's a point at which stubborn adherence to a preconceived world view, combined with intellectual inflexibility and an impulse to play King Canute, becomes highly destructive. We've had 8 years of that, and don't need another 4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous 2:19 mentions something that is of far more concern than policies or political alignment, and that&#8217;s temperament. Read George Will&#8217;s column at <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/mccains_temperment_fails_again.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/mccains_temperment_fails_again.html</a></p>
<p>Will has his own issues with McCain, but he nails a major concern - McCain&#8217;s impulsive nature and ultracombative personality, combined with a stubborn refusal to move away from deeply ingrained certainties (not principles) framed by his life story.</p>
<p>Richard Cohen has a column today on American exceptionalism at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/3ms5fx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3ms5fx</a>. While it focuses on Palin&#8217;s short-comings, its relevant to McCain, too, in pointing out how much the world and the US role in it has changed, and underscoring the flexible mindset needed to deal with new realities. There&#8217;s a point at which stubborn adherence to a preconceived world view, combined with intellectual inflexibility and an impulse to play King Canute, becomes highly destructive. We&#8217;ve had 8 years of that, and don&#8217;t need another 4.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If John McCain cared much about the economic crisis, he'd have immediately headed to DC or done something to help avert the crisis from going down further. Unfortunately, he chose to wait to see what the polls say and then decide few days before the debate that something needed to be done -- and done in order to restore his political standing in the polls. And to make the decision to go to DC so suddenly is a clever poltical strategy meant not only to steal the focus away from the economy but also to try to get rid of the VP debate because he senses Biden will crush Palin during the debate and ultimately deliver McCain a stinging defeat in November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If John McCain cared much about the economic crisis, he&#8217;d have immediately headed to DC or done something to help avert the crisis from going down further. Unfortunately, he chose to wait to see what the polls say and then decide few days before the debate that something needed to be done &#8212; and done in order to restore his political standing in the polls. And to make the decision to go to DC so suddenly is a clever poltical strategy meant not only to steal the focus away from the economy but also to try to get rid of the VP debate because he senses Biden will crush Palin during the debate and ultimately deliver McCain a stinging defeat in November.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoot, everyone knows (unless in denial) that McCain's intent was to gain political mileage and not on the American taxpayer.

I'm sure McCain will say something to his collegues in congress using the buzz words "My friends....".  Most of the republicans in the senate have reservations on his leadership.  Thad Cochran, overall a good GOP senator from Mississippi, states that he doesn't know if McCain has the temper to become commander-in-chief.  When you have guys like Cochran voice concerns, we need to listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoot, everyone knows (unless in denial) that McCain&#8217;s intent was to gain political mileage and not on the American taxpayer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure McCain will say something to his collegues in congress using the buzz words &#8220;My friends&#8230;.&#8221;.  Most of the republicans in the senate have reservations on his leadership.  Thad Cochran, overall a good GOP senator from Mississippi, states that he doesn&#8217;t know if McCain has the temper to become commander-in-chief.  When you have guys like Cochran voice concerns, we need to listen.</p>
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		<title>By: zoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>zoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teezy, if the man was serious about this, he would have been in DC three days ago. He apparently had his epiphany after Obama initiated the call. It's fair reasoning that he decided to one-up Obama. Bush then gave him cover by 'validating' the need for them to be in DC. Congress didn't want them hanging around in the first place.

So now they can both have ritual photos taken after all the hard work is completed. See, http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/business/26bush.html?_r=1&#38;hp&#38;oref=slogin. And please don't now tell us that the threat of McCain coming in off the trail drove Congress to reach agreement:

"“I now expect we will indeed have a plan that can pass the House, pass the Senate, be signed by the president, and bring a sense of certainty to this crisis that is still roiling in the markets,” said Robert Bennett, Republican of Utah. “That is our primary responsibility, and I think we our now prepared to meet it.”

And Mr. Bennett, one of the senior members of the banking committee, made a point of describing the meeting as free of political “posturing” in remarks that seemed aimed at Mr. McCain, who announced on Wednesday that he was suspending his campaign and returning to Washington to help secure a deal.

“I appreciate very much my Republican colleagues who participated in the meeting and added tremendously,” Mr. Bennett said. “We focused on solving the problem, rather than posturing politically and it was one of the most productive sessions in that regard that I have participated in since I have been in the Senate.”"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teezy, if the man was serious about this, he would have been in DC three days ago. He apparently had his epiphany after Obama initiated the call. It&#8217;s fair reasoning that he decided to one-up Obama. Bush then gave him cover by &#8216;validating&#8217; the need for them to be in DC. Congress didn&#8217;t want them hanging around in the first place.</p>
<p>So now they can both have ritual photos taken after all the hard work is completed. See, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/business/26bush.html?_r=1&amp;hp&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/business/26bush.html?_r=1&amp;hp&amp;oref=slogin</a>. And please don&#8217;t now tell us that the threat of McCain coming in off the trail drove Congress to reach agreement:</p>
<p>&#8220;“I now expect we will indeed have a plan that can pass the House, pass the Senate, be signed by the president, and bring a sense of certainty to this crisis that is still roiling in the markets,” said Robert Bennett, Republican of Utah. “That is our primary responsibility, and I think we our now prepared to meet it.”</p>
<p>And Mr. Bennett, one of the senior members of the banking committee, made a point of describing the meeting as free of political “posturing” in remarks that seemed aimed at Mr. McCain, who announced on Wednesday that he was suspending his campaign and returning to Washington to help secure a deal.</p>
<p>“I appreciate very much my Republican colleagues who participated in the meeting and added tremendously,” Mr. Bennett said. “We focused on solving the problem, rather than posturing politically and it was one of the most productive sessions in that regard that I have participated in since I have been in the Senate.”&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Trolls? In other words, if you’re for McCain you are a troll? "

No, not at all.  If you don't provide evidence to support your position, but instead throw out red herrings  for the sole purpose of discrediting your opponent, then yes, you are a troll.  If you care to share your ideological beliefs that are conservative and support McCain, then you are not.  Pretty simple, eh?

I thought this was supposed to be a non-partison blog."

"non-partisan" and "blog" don't go together.  There is nothing "non-partisan" about a blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Trolls? In other words, if you’re for McCain you are a troll? &#8221;</p>
<p>No, not at all.  If you don&#8217;t provide evidence to support your position, but instead throw out red herrings  for the sole purpose of discrediting your opponent, then yes, you are a troll.  If you care to share your ideological beliefs that are conservative and support McCain, then you are not.  Pretty simple, eh?</p>
<p>I thought this was supposed to be a non-partison blog.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;non-partisan&#8221; and &#8220;blog&#8221; don&#8217;t go together.  There is nothing &#8220;non-partisan&#8221; about a blog.</p>
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		<title>By: dsimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The back-n-forth of a debate could have disastrous effects if the negotiations are on-going.&lt;/i&gt;

Do you really think they'll have TV monitors on as they put the package together? Please. If they're so easily distracted, they have no business trying to develop a plan in the first place.

&lt;i&gt;“For that matter, I see no justification for McCain’s actual presence in DC.”
- Again, Reid told McCain to get Republican support for the bailout. His presence will have a greater effect on persuading the Republicans that are resistant to the bailout.&lt;/i&gt;

Again, garnering support does not require actual presence. You just assume it does. And, as I argued and to which you did not respond, injecting presidential politics into the negotiating room can be counterproductive.

&lt;i&gt;“, or why, if he went to DC, he couldn’t spare a few hours for the debate”
- What kind of President would take a few hours away from dealing with a national crisis to engage in campaign activities? Barack Obama: Politics First.&lt;/i&gt;

I bet they take time to eat. To sleep. To talk with their families. A few hours will simply not be to the detriment of the nation, especially when McCain has no significant role in developing the plan under discussion. "Country First" would be to talk with Americans about what one would do as president, not spend time posturing on a subject about which one said one was not an expert. Again, I'd like to name something that McCain was asking us to do to put country first, but I can't because he doesn't have a single policy that asks us to lift a finger. Some of us actually believe in country first; McCain is using it as a punch line.

If assumptions are put forward as facts, and if there is little attempt to come up with facts to back up assumptions, then it's hard to engage in the issues. And if there's nothing about McCain that one would not defend, no matter how indefensible, then it's not worth having a discussion.

As a prior poster said, don't feed the trolls. I won't from now on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The back-n-forth of a debate could have disastrous effects if the negotiations are on-going.</i></p>
<p>Do you really think they&#8217;ll have TV monitors on as they put the package together? Please. If they&#8217;re so easily distracted, they have no business trying to develop a plan in the first place.</p>
<p><i>“For that matter, I see no justification for McCain’s actual presence in DC.”<br />
- Again, Reid told McCain to get Republican support for the bailout. His presence will have a greater effect on persuading the Republicans that are resistant to the bailout.</i></p>
<p>Again, garnering support does not require actual presence. You just assume it does. And, as I argued and to which you did not respond, injecting presidential politics into the negotiating room can be counterproductive.</p>
<p><i>“, or why, if he went to DC, he couldn’t spare a few hours for the debate”<br />
- What kind of President would take a few hours away from dealing with a national crisis to engage in campaign activities? Barack Obama: Politics First.</i></p>
<p>I bet they take time to eat. To sleep. To talk with their families. A few hours will simply not be to the detriment of the nation, especially when McCain has no significant role in developing the plan under discussion. &#8220;Country First&#8221; would be to talk with Americans about what one would do as president, not spend time posturing on a subject about which one said one was not an expert. Again, I&#8217;d like to name something that McCain was asking us to do to put country first, but I can&#8217;t because he doesn&#8217;t have a single policy that asks us to lift a finger. Some of us actually believe in country first; McCain is using it as a punch line.</p>
<p>If assumptions are put forward as facts, and if there is little attempt to come up with facts to back up assumptions, then it&#8217;s hard to engage in the issues. And if there&#8217;s nothing about McCain that one would not defend, no matter how indefensible, then it&#8217;s not worth having a discussion.</p>
<p>As a prior poster said, don&#8217;t feed the trolls. I won&#8217;t from now on.</p>
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		<title>By: dsimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“I still see in that paragraph no justification for moving the VP debate.”
- I pretty much spelled it out for you.&lt;/i&gt;

You said it would be the easiest to move. That doesn't mean there's a reason for moving it.

What's Palin's role in crafting legislation for the bailout plan? Did she get elected to Congress while I wasn't looking? Is Biden's presence needed? What is the justification for moving the debate?

The reasons for canceling Friday's debate are weak. The reasons for moving the VP debate are practically nonexistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“I still see in that paragraph no justification for moving the VP debate.”<br />
- I pretty much spelled it out for you.</i></p>
<p>You said it would be the easiest to move. That doesn&#8217;t mean there&#8217;s a reason for moving it.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s Palin&#8217;s role in crafting legislation for the bailout plan? Did she get elected to Congress while I wasn&#8217;t looking? Is Biden&#8217;s presence needed? What is the justification for moving the debate?</p>
<p>The reasons for canceling Friday&#8217;s debate are weak. The reasons for moving the VP debate are practically nonexistent.</p>
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		<title>By: Teezy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teezy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"They can all Tivo it. Or read the transcript. The debate isn’t going to prevent any of them from actually doing their work."
- Oh please.  The back-n-forth of a debate could have disastrous effects if the negotiations are on-going.  There would be no better way to inject partisanship into the process.  Though, if the plan is worked out today, then it won't be an issue.

"For that matter, I see no justification for McCain’s actual presence in DC."
- Again, Reid told McCain to get Republican support for the bailout.  His presence will have a greater effect on persuading the Republicans that are resistant to the bailout.  Hence, Reid and Nancy will more likely get the bipartisan support they wanted.  Its not that complicated.

", or why, if he went to DC, he couldn’t spare a few hours for the debate"
- What kind of President would take a few hours away from dealing with a national crisis to engage in campaign activities?  Barack Obama: Politics First.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They can all Tivo it. Or read the transcript. The debate isn’t going to prevent any of them from actually doing their work.&#8221;<br />
- Oh please.  The back-n-forth of a debate could have disastrous effects if the negotiations are on-going.  There would be no better way to inject partisanship into the process.  Though, if the plan is worked out today, then it won&#8217;t be an issue.</p>
<p>&#8220;For that matter, I see no justification for McCain’s actual presence in DC.&#8221;<br />
- Again, Reid told McCain to get Republican support for the bailout.  His presence will have a greater effect on persuading the Republicans that are resistant to the bailout.  Hence, Reid and Nancy will more likely get the bipartisan support they wanted.  Its not that complicated.</p>
<p>&#8220;, or why, if he went to DC, he couldn’t spare a few hours for the debate&#8221;<br />
- What kind of President would take a few hours away from dealing with a national crisis to engage in campaign activities?  Barack Obama: Politics First.</p>
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		<title>By: Teezy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teezy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I still see in that paragraph no justification for moving the VP debate."
- I pretty much spelled it out for you.
Perhaps another option would be to have back-to-back Pres and VP debates on the same night, that way none of the pre-planning would be wasted.  I'd watch three hours, no problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I still see in that paragraph no justification for moving the VP debate.&#8221;<br />
- I pretty much spelled it out for you.<br />
Perhaps another option would be to have back-to-back Pres and VP debates on the same night, that way none of the pre-planning would be wasted.  I&#8217;d watch three hours, no problem.</p>
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