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	<title>Comments on: VP watch: Speculation rises about Obama&#8217;s short list, with Kaine rising and Clinton fading</title>
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		<title>By: Joe from NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe from NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crist is not Pro-choice (anymore), but he is sort of in favor of gay civil unions (I wonder why), so the religious right will still object to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crist is not Pro-choice (anymore), but he is sort of in favor of gay civil unions (I wonder why), so the religious right will still object to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Taniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Greenfield,

I am too tired to check this right now, but I really do not think Crist is pro-choice. Tom Ridge is and that by itself is costing him being in the top-tier. Crist would not be there if he was pro-choice. There are other reasons conservatives distrust him; I detailed some of them &lt;a href="http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/04/05/vp-gop-base-still-hostile-to-mitt-romney-charlie-crist/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; a few months ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Greenfield,</p>
<p>I am too tired to check this right now, but I really do not think Crist is pro-choice. Tom Ridge is and that by itself is costing him being in the top-tier. Crist would not be there if he was pro-choice. There are other reasons conservatives distrust him; I detailed some of them <a href="http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/04/05/vp-gop-base-still-hostile-to-mitt-romney-charlie-crist/" rel="nofollow">here</a> a few months ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Greenfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for who would be most beneficial to Obama, and add the most to his candidacy, it seems to me that Clark is the one. Military experience, strong knowledge of foreign policy, ties with Clinton, Rhodes scholar... If Kaine is pro-life, and Obama picks Kaine, then heaven help him. He will have one tough Rowe to hoe.

As for McCain, I thought Crist would be picked for a long time, but Crist is pro-choice, is he not? Now it looks to me like it's gonna be Pawlenty, and probably he will be named very soon, so as to get his name out into the public eye. Pawlenty brings very very little to the ticket, but he probably has few negatives as well. He makes a good sock puppet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for who would be most beneficial to Obama, and add the most to his candidacy, it seems to me that Clark is the one. Military experience, strong knowledge of foreign policy, ties with Clinton, Rhodes scholar&#8230; If Kaine is pro-life, and Obama picks Kaine, then heaven help him. He will have one tough Rowe to hoe.</p>
<p>As for McCain, I thought Crist would be picked for a long time, but Crist is pro-choice, is he not? Now it looks to me like it&#8217;s gonna be Pawlenty, and probably he will be named very soon, so as to get his name out into the public eye. Pawlenty brings very very little to the ticket, but he probably has few negatives as well. He makes a good sock puppet.</p>
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		<title>By: Aiken Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aiken Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s going to be a close run for sure and for both candidates, how they pick their running mates will make a big difference. please help us support Obama. Visit WHYOBAMA08.ORG!!!</p>
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		<title>By: zoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>zoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaxx, I thought Joe was referring to something different - the capacity for die-hard PUMAs to raise a ruckus both inside and outside the Pepsi Center and generate lots of negative publicity that dilutes the convention impact.

I don't think they're very numerous but have no way of telling, and theya re extremely venomous. The Manchester (NH) U-L had a column today on the Clinton supporters and quoted one die-hard who said that MI and FL rsolutions were equivalent to a 'gang-rape' and referred to Obama as Dean's 'paper-boy', ugly stuff and particularly so in a New England state where race hasn't been a historical problem. You don't reason with people like that.

Magnify that by a couple of hundred (remember the disruption Rules) and you've got a made-for-YouTube moment you'd rather forget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaxx, I thought Joe was referring to something different - the capacity for die-hard PUMAs to raise a ruckus both inside and outside the Pepsi Center and generate lots of negative publicity that dilutes the convention impact.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re very numerous but have no way of telling, and theya re extremely venomous. The Manchester (NH) U-L had a column today on the Clinton supporters and quoted one die-hard who said that MI and FL rsolutions were equivalent to a &#8216;gang-rape&#8217; and referred to Obama as Dean&#8217;s &#8216;paper-boy&#8217;, ugly stuff and particularly so in a New England state where race hasn&#8217;t been a historical problem. You don&#8217;t reason with people like that.</p>
<p>Magnify that by a couple of hundred (remember the disruption Rules) and you&#8217;ve got a made-for-YouTube moment you&#8217;d rather forget.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaxx Raxor,

The primary is in 3 weeks, and the GOP have six others challenging Stevens in the primary.  I don't believe the GOP can replace Stevens unless he wins the primary.  The other 6 running in the primary are lightweights.  At that time, let the fighting begin...

I think the name "Begich" is pretty powerful in Alaska, especially since Begich's father was the US rep before Young.  Also, there will be some coattails in Alaska with the Presidential election with Obama on the ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaxx Raxor,</p>
<p>The primary is in 3 weeks, and the GOP have six others challenging Stevens in the primary.  I don&#8217;t believe the GOP can replace Stevens unless he wins the primary.  The other 6 running in the primary are lightweights.  At that time, let the fighting begin&#8230;</p>
<p>I think the name &#8220;Begich&#8221; is pretty powerful in Alaska, especially since Begich&#8217;s father was the US rep before Young.  Also, there will be some coattails in Alaska with the Presidential election with Obama on the ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaxx - I do not think Romney would help McCain much. His linkls to Michigan are very limited, his father 30 plus years ago was a popular Governor. That will not resonate much. Yes he won the Michigan primary but a) winning a primary doesn`t mean you will win the state (in that case you need Huckabee for the southern states) and b) he promised $billions for the auo industry and promised people their jobs would come back unlike McCain who was honest and said those jobs have gone for good.
Romney's business experience will also be questioned and cost him in the MA senate race against Kennedy in the 1990's. His business is to buy out firms, sack lots of workers then sell the firms on. Maybe not the best business to be associated with right now!
Romney will help with Utah, but then the GOP don`t really need help there!

I still think Clark and Montana Governor Schwitzer would be good choices for Obama. Not mentioned much but Clark has great military experience, the grassroots like him and he is associated with Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaxx - I do not think Romney would help McCain much. His linkls to Michigan are very limited, his father 30 plus years ago was a popular Governor. That will not resonate much. Yes he won the Michigan primary but a) winning a primary doesn`t mean you will win the state (in that case you need Huckabee for the southern states) and b) he promised $billions for the auo industry and promised people their jobs would come back unlike McCain who was honest and said those jobs have gone for good.<br />
Romney&#8217;s business experience will also be questioned and cost him in the MA senate race against Kennedy in the 1990&#8217;s. His business is to buy out firms, sack lots of workers then sell the firms on. Maybe not the best business to be associated with right now!<br />
Romney will help with Utah, but then the GOP don`t really need help there!</p>
<p>I still think Clark and Montana Governor Schwitzer would be good choices for Obama. Not mentioned much but Clark has great military experience, the grassroots like him and he is associated with Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: Earnest Dodge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earnest Dodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe: Unfortunately, I'm forced to agree.  The idea of Clinton on the ticket really wilts my enthusiasm, but after seeing what the PUMA crowd is capable of, I'm afraid that any other choice could be a costly mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe: Unfortunately, I&#8217;m forced to agree.  The idea of Clinton on the ticket really wilts my enthusiasm, but after seeing what the PUMA crowd is capable of, I&#8217;m afraid that any other choice could be a costly mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaxx Raxor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaxx Raxor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim W, Ted Steven's indictment has actually hurt Benigh chances of winning the Alaskan seat. Unlike the house race, no Republicans dared to challange Stevens, but they will now, and they will force Stevens to either quit his reelection campaign or defeat him in a primary, just as Young will likely be defeated by the Lt. Governor in the GOP House primary. A Republican with no ethnical problems, especially one who came from the Palin administration (althrough it is very unlikely Palin herself will challange Stevens) will instantly be at the VERY least a slight favorite in the Senate race. Benich would have an advantage in terms of being in the race longer and having of money, but Alaska is a strong GOP state and natural GOP lean will make any clean candiate the favorite.

On the VP stakes, Kaine in my opinion could present some problems because he is pro-life, and angering pro-choice voters,  especially women who supported Clinton would be a very bad idea. However he did say that he wouldn't change abortion law even if Roe vs Wade was overturned I believed so maybe he would be OK. Besides this, Kaine as well as Selbius would be good safe choices for Obama while Biden and Bayh would help alot on foreign policy but possibly overshadow Obama and course Biden has his problems with keeping his mouth shut.
Joe from NC, the PUMA voters are too little and the drawbacks of Clinton both in terms of the campaign and governing are too much to warrent her on the ticket. Most of Obama's weakness among Clinton voters are among those who are undecided rather than those who say they are going to vote McCain. Those willing to vote McCain are probably going to vote McCain no matter what, while those who are undecided probably just need more convincing that Obama is supieror to John McCain, he can get those voters if he is smart enough and uses Hillary Clinton in a good way.

For McCain, the only real choices to me are either Rommney or Pawlenty. Crist just has too many problems with the Republican base and too little benefit while Portman has said he isn't interested in the job. I think Pawlenty is almost a GOP version of Kaine, except that he brings a little less drawback but a little less benefit to McCain, just like Kaine, Pawlenty's approval rating in Minnesota are around the 50's range and will probably only add maybe 2 points in a state that Obama is likely to win with double digits or high single digits. Rommeny on the other hand would help McCain in terms of the ecnomny, and could probably help in Michigan and maybe New Hampshire, as well as get Mormons to vote in big numbers in Nevada. However, a major drawback would be that Rommeny would hurt McCain immensily with evangelicals, as many of them despite Rommeny party because of anti-Mormon bigotry, but also because of Rommney's shifting positions on abortion and other social issues. McCain will win the evangelical vote regardless, but it will be by a much narrower margin than Bush and other Republians, and with Rommeny on the ticket, few evangelicals will be willing to volunteer for McCain and do all of the ground work needed in many swing states. Pawlenty is probably the better choice cause he is much safer but we have to see who McCain picks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim W, Ted Steven&#8217;s indictment has actually hurt Benigh chances of winning the Alaskan seat. Unlike the house race, no Republicans dared to challange Stevens, but they will now, and they will force Stevens to either quit his reelection campaign or defeat him in a primary, just as Young will likely be defeated by the Lt. Governor in the GOP House primary. A Republican with no ethnical problems, especially one who came from the Palin administration (althrough it is very unlikely Palin herself will challange Stevens) will instantly be at the VERY least a slight favorite in the Senate race. Benich would have an advantage in terms of being in the race longer and having of money, but Alaska is a strong GOP state and natural GOP lean will make any clean candiate the favorite.</p>
<p>On the VP stakes, Kaine in my opinion could present some problems because he is pro-life, and angering pro-choice voters,  especially women who supported Clinton would be a very bad idea. However he did say that he wouldn&#8217;t change abortion law even if Roe vs Wade was overturned I believed so maybe he would be OK. Besides this, Kaine as well as Selbius would be good safe choices for Obama while Biden and Bayh would help alot on foreign policy but possibly overshadow Obama and course Biden has his problems with keeping his mouth shut.<br />
Joe from NC, the PUMA voters are too little and the drawbacks of Clinton both in terms of the campaign and governing are too much to warrent her on the ticket. Most of Obama&#8217;s weakness among Clinton voters are among those who are undecided rather than those who say they are going to vote McCain. Those willing to vote McCain are probably going to vote McCain no matter what, while those who are undecided probably just need more convincing that Obama is supieror to John McCain, he can get those voters if he is smart enough and uses Hillary Clinton in a good way.</p>
<p>For McCain, the only real choices to me are either Rommney or Pawlenty. Crist just has too many problems with the Republican base and too little benefit while Portman has said he isn&#8217;t interested in the job. I think Pawlenty is almost a GOP version of Kaine, except that he brings a little less drawback but a little less benefit to McCain, just like Kaine, Pawlenty&#8217;s approval rating in Minnesota are around the 50&#8217;s range and will probably only add maybe 2 points in a state that Obama is likely to win with double digits or high single digits. Rommeny on the other hand would help McCain in terms of the ecnomny, and could probably help in Michigan and maybe New Hampshire, as well as get Mormons to vote in big numbers in Nevada. However, a major drawback would be that Rommeny would hurt McCain immensily with evangelicals, as many of them despite Rommeny party because of anti-Mormon bigotry, but also because of Rommney&#8217;s shifting positions on abortion and other social issues. McCain will win the evangelical vote regardless, but it will be by a much narrower margin than Bush and other Republians, and with Rommeny on the ticket, few evangelicals will be willing to volunteer for McCain and do all of the ground work needed in many swing states. Pawlenty is probably the better choice cause he is much safer but we have to see who McCain picks.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe from NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe from NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been surprised by the persistance the PUMA crowd has had in their opposition to Obama.  Because of that, Hillary would still be my choice for VP.  I hope that Obama at least offers her the nomination because, honestly, those PUMA people scare me.  (remember the rules committee meeting on May 31?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been surprised by the persistance the PUMA crowd has had in their opposition to Obama.  Because of that, Hillary would still be my choice for VP.  I hope that Obama at least offers her the nomination because, honestly, those PUMA people scare me.  (remember the rules committee meeting on May 31?)</p>
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