Comments on: Increasing the confusion, Democrats refuse to settle http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/ Obsessive political analysis Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:59:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Anonymous http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/comment-page-1/#comment-2489 Anonymous Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:23:00 +0000 http://campaigndiaries.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/#comment-2489 Obama is not even being called. You admitted Bill is a proven liar. Says a lot about the Clinton's character!! Obama is not even being called. You admitted Bill is a proven liar. Says a lot about the Clinton’s character!!

]]> By: Anonymous http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/comment-page-1/#comment-2488 Anonymous Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:23:00 +0000 http://campaigndiaries.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/#comment-2488 20:58-You have a selective memory. Bill was impeached for lying under oath and Libby was indicted for the same. When Barack gets under oath,his fast and loose with the facts will end his career for sure. It's a certainty. He doesn't have the skill to not lie while avoiding touchy issues. Fitzpatrick is a shrewd man. Obama is toast. 20:58-You have a selective memory. Bill was impeached for lying under oath and Libby was indicted for the same. When Barack gets under oath,his fast and loose with the facts will end his career for sure. It’s a certainty. He doesn’t have the skill to not lie while avoiding touchy issues. Fitzpatrick is a shrewd man. Obama is toast.

]]> By: Anonymous http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/comment-page-1/#comment-2487 Anonymous Thu, 06 Mar 2008 12:58:00 +0000 http://campaigndiaries.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/#comment-2487 Why the hell is Puerto Rico allowed to vote - it cannot in the General Election. The CLinton campaign should say it doesn`t count because red states do not. She will be going for a 270EV strategy only - leaving no room for error. An Obama-McCain contest would at least be a 30-35 state affair and could yield some unusual results rather than take us back to the 90's rigidity. Why the hell is Puerto Rico allowed to vote - it cannot in the General Election. The CLinton campaign should say it doesn`t count because red states do not. She will be going for a 270EV strategy only - leaving no room for error. An Obama-McCain contest would at least be a 30-35 state affair and could yield some unusual results rather than take us back to the 90’s rigidity.

]]> By: Anonymous http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/comment-page-1/#comment-2486 Anonymous Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:01:00 +0000 http://campaigndiaries.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/#comment-2486 I wouldn't be so sure of that. Hillary pulled off some incredible wins with last minute voters; "identity politics" would indicate long seated sentiments that would have been at odds with those results.<br/>-------------------------------------<br/><br/>And you believe polls???? Face it, this race has NO mo, its 100% Identity politics.<br/><br/>Lets run down the last 12 races.<br/><br/>Wyoming = Obama by 15.<br/>Mississippi = Obama BIG 30% or so.<br/>Pennsylvania = Clinton by 10. Ed Rendell (PA Gov.) is 100% correct. PA whites will NOT vote for a black man. The REAL reason Obama lost in OH also.<br/>North Carolina = Obama by 10-15<br/>Guam = Dunno, have no idea of the Race makeup.<br/>Indiana = Obama (Very Close though<br/>) Could go wither way.<br/>West Virginia = Clinton 10-15<br/>Oregon = Obama 10-15<br/>Kentucky = Clinton 10+<br/>Montana = Obama Big<br/>South Dakota = Obama<br/>Puerto Rico = Dunno. That have a VERY odd system thats impossible to figure out. Its all "Party Bosses of 2 opposing parties". Kinda like the USA 150 years ago.<br/><br/>Mark it, This will be the results of the last elections.<br/><br/>Big Obama Voting blocks. Blacks, "Rich" educated Whites. College kids. <br/><br/>Big Clinton Voting blocks. Latinos, Blue collar Whites. Jews.<br/><br/>Just find the states with these groups and average them out.<br/><br/>So far ONLY WI has not followed this very simple pattern. I wouldn’t be so sure of that. Hillary pulled off some incredible wins with last minute voters; “identity politics” would indicate long seated sentiments that would have been at odds with those results.
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And you believe polls???? Face it, this race has NO mo, its 100% Identity politics.

Lets run down the last 12 races.

Wyoming = Obama by 15.
Mississippi = Obama BIG 30% or so.
Pennsylvania = Clinton by 10. Ed Rendell (PA Gov.) is 100% correct. PA whites will NOT vote for a black man. The REAL reason Obama lost in OH also.
North Carolina = Obama by 10-15
Guam = Dunno, have no idea of the Race makeup.
Indiana = Obama (Very Close though
) Could go wither way.
West Virginia = Clinton 10-15
Oregon = Obama 10-15
Kentucky = Clinton 10+
Montana = Obama Big
South Dakota = Obama
Puerto Rico = Dunno. That have a VERY odd system thats impossible to figure out. Its all “Party Bosses of 2 opposing parties”. Kinda like the USA 150 years ago.

Mark it, This will be the results of the last elections.

Big Obama Voting blocks. Blacks, “Rich” educated Whites. College kids.

Big Clinton Voting blocks. Latinos, Blue collar Whites. Jews.

Just find the states with these groups and average them out.

So far ONLY WI has not followed this very simple pattern.

]]> By: animal crackers http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/comment-page-1/#comment-2485 animal crackers Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:09:00 +0000 http://campaigndiaries.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/#comment-2485 I should have pointed out that my proposal in my last post hinges on Hillary winning Pennsylvania, and then taking wins out of 're-votes' in Michigan and (most importantly) Florida.<br/><br/>I should have noted also that Barack may be called as a witness in the Rezko trial (for the defense!). That could prove to be enough to shake the confidence of future super delegate support to Hillary's side, while leaving a sense of indifference in the minds of voters.<br/><br/>What exactly comes of the Rezko matter is anyone's guess, but the very implication or association could prove detrimental to the party's chances of securing the nomination in the eyes of Democratic insiders. That might be enough to force Barack to step back and let the convention rework the math for a Clinton nomination.<br/><br/>A bit wild, yes, but theoretically it's now become a plausible scenario. I should have pointed out that my proposal in my last post hinges on Hillary winning Pennsylvania, and then taking wins out of ‘re-votes’ in Michigan and (most importantly) Florida.

I should have noted also that Barack may be called as a witness in the Rezko trial (for the defense!). That could prove to be enough to shake the confidence of future super delegate support to Hillary’s side, while leaving a sense of indifference in the minds of voters.

What exactly comes of the Rezko matter is anyone’s guess, but the very implication or association could prove detrimental to the party’s chances of securing the nomination in the eyes of Democratic insiders. That might be enough to force Barack to step back and let the convention rework the math for a Clinton nomination.

A bit wild, yes, but theoretically it’s now become a plausible scenario.

]]> By: animal crackers http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/comment-page-1/#comment-2484 animal crackers Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:32:00 +0000 http://campaigndiaries.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/#comment-2484 anonymous of 20:59:<br/><br/>Clinton has momentum which translates to deliverance in the general come November. The Democrats want the White House; why split hairs on delegates, states, etc. Politics is about winning, plain and simple.<br/><br/>And that's correct; 'pledged delegates.' No candidate has delegates because they have yet to be awarded, making it possible for Hillary to push Barack out and still claim the nomination at the Democratic convention if the powers that be decide that it's the most effective strategy for winning against McCain. anonymous of 20:59:

Clinton has momentum which translates to deliverance in the general come November. The Democrats want the White House; why split hairs on delegates, states, etc. Politics is about winning, plain and simple.

And that’s correct; ‘pledged delegates.’ No candidate has delegates because they have yet to be awarded, making it possible for Hillary to push Barack out and still claim the nomination at the Democratic convention if the powers that be decide that it’s the most effective strategy for winning against McCain.

]]> By: Anonymous http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/comment-page-1/#comment-2483 Anonymous Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:59:00 +0000 http://campaigndiaries.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/#comment-2483 Clinton is behind in the number of states won, the popular vote (even including FL) and pledged delegates. What part of behind do Clinton supporters not understand? Clinton is behind in the number of states won, the popular vote (even including FL) and pledged delegates. What part of behind do Clinton supporters not understand?

]]> By: Anonymous http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/comment-page-1/#comment-2482 Anonymous Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:58:00 +0000 http://campaigndiaries.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/#comment-2482 What lies? The meeting with the Canadians - wow one possible lie. <br/>How many lies have the Clinton's made?? We know Bill Clinton has lied - he has admitted it after wasting at least 1 year of his presidency.<br/><br/>So stop attacking Obama for something the Clinton's are ever more guilty of. What lies? The meeting with the Canadians - wow one possible lie.
How many lies have the Clinton’s made?? We know Bill Clinton has lied - he has admitted it after wasting at least 1 year of his presidency.

So stop attacking Obama for something the Clinton’s are ever more guilty of.

]]> By: Anonymous http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/comment-page-1/#comment-2481 Anonymous Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:33:00 +0000 http://campaigndiaries.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/#comment-2481 Obama is far from the likely nominee. It's still Clinton. Obama had a chance but blew it by proving once and for all that he has no credibility. Time and time again he's been shown to have lied. He doesn't learn from the same mistake that he keeps repeating of denouncing allegations that turn out to be true. If by some miracle he survives and becomes the nominee, this will be his downfall. Obama is far from the likely nominee. It’s still Clinton. Obama had a chance but blew it by proving once and for all that he has no credibility. Time and time again he’s been shown to have lied. He doesn’t learn from the same mistake that he keeps repeating of denouncing allegations that turn out to be true. If by some miracle he survives and becomes the nominee, this will be his downfall.

]]> By: Guy http://campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/comment-page-1/#comment-2480 Guy Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:26:00 +0000 http://campaigndiaries.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/increasing-the-confusion-democrats-refuse-to-settle/#comment-2480 One answer to the question at the end of the blog is that if Obama wins PA then game over form Clinton. Of course this is difficult because the governor is supporting her (much like his Ohio counterpart). PA is similar demographics to Ohio but Obama did win Wisconsin by 17% and that has similar demographic - poor white, very few latino's etc.<br/><br/>The next 7 weeks may do Obama a favor in that he can show he can stand upto tough questioning - time will tell.<br/><br/>I agree that if the press had been hard on Clinton she would not have been allowed to stay in after losing 11 straight contests - caucuses, primaries, east, west, all over the place. One answer to the question at the end of the blog is that if Obama wins PA then game over form Clinton. Of course this is difficult because the governor is supporting her (much like his Ohio counterpart). PA is similar demographics to Ohio but Obama did win Wisconsin by 17% and that has similar demographic - poor white, very few latino’s etc.

The next 7 weeks may do Obama a favor in that he can show he can stand upto tough questioning - time will tell.

I agree that if the press had been hard on Clinton she would not have been allowed to stay in after losing 11 straight contests - caucuses, primaries, east, west, all over the place.

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